You are Completely Wrong, Jayne Part 8

Summary

Those who claim that women could tell when a man is honest in seeking a full relationship, yet repeatedly attack “players” are unlikely to be sincere in their agenda.  If women could tell “players” from honest guys online, then they could simply ignore the former and concentrate on the latter.  There’s no need to constantly disparage them with false claims of having “mean spirit” or being immature.  Since one doesn’t like players, one would simply “let them fail”.

Of course, that isn’t the truth.  Having “game” works.  All this condescending attitude towards those who advocate it is just the usual manifestation of “entitlement”.  Critics of game love to overlook the dysfunctional inflated ego’s of women online to create this expectation of pure honesty and transparency from men (while little reciprocation is required of the woman).

Men need “game” online because the of the haughty attitudes of women there.  It’s NOT the other way around.

  • “Women like men who sincerely like us. We can tell who those men are”….. No one has ever argued against the observational powers of any who are honest with themselves when they seek interest from others.
  • “Women have to go through a lot to attract men too.”…..This is effectively false in both absolute and relative terms.  The discrepancy in effort in online dating between men and women is well known.
  • If you want a good example of “mean spirited”, have a look at the majority of responses from women on Frost’s thread. The act of applying creative marketing is not “mean spirited”.  It is simply a reaction to market forces and on it’s own not an act harbouring malice.
  • “they only have themselves to blame for not investing in their own attractiveness, physically, spiritually and mentally”…..Questioning whether men invest in their own attractiveness (and they do whether they are players or not) is merely deflecting from the critical problem being how POF Princesses inflate their own worth.

The Likes of You

juliajayne1 Wrote:

Women like men who sincerely like us. We can tell who those men are.

This is really just a deflection.

No one has ever argued against the observational powers of any who are honest with themselves when they seek interest from others.  If anything, the issue would be whether or not those who are delusional and online for thrills have adequate ability in resolving the intent of suitors, or, if they are even that interested in something long term.

An “F” for Effort

juliajayne1 Wrote:

Women have to go through a lot to attract men too. The guys here are trying short cuts (cynical tactics) that just won’t work, all the while being kind of creepy and mean spirited in the bargain.

Since the focus of Frost’s thread is on the self-aggrandized POF princesses, the assertion that “women have to go through a lot…” is disingenuous at best.  At any rate, one is merely ignoring the context of the tactics again in order to promote false notions.  So, in particular…

“Go through a lot?”

This is false in both absolute and relative terms.  The discrepancy in effort in online dating between men and women is well known.

The effort to put up a few carefully misleading photographs and a stereotypical profile (“loves to laugh”, “looking for an honest guy”, etc…) is hardly a monumental task.  That alone will “attract” literally hundreds of solicitation from men online.  The further effort to sift through emails based on the physical looks of the sender is also not a tall order. The bulk of these are from men that are honestly looking.

In relative terms, these “efforts” pale in comparison to the task of having to write hundreds of personalized messages (and they better be relevant and provocative without being too racy) in order to get a couple of bites.

“Just won’t work?”

The amount of false reasoning being used to support claims against these tactics alone is evidence that they do work.  Couple that with the usual hostility that we find with “responses” to threads like this, and it is obvious that many do not really have this ability to tell who is “sincerely liking you”.

Creepy and mean spirited?

Men are being asked to only applying the level of creative marketing it takes to get a meeting.  That is all.  There is nothing “creepy” about bartering.  The disrespect that the typical POF princess shows for good men is by far the “mean spirit” that you try to label men who apply game with.  Even the quintessential player is not mean-spirited.  There is no intention to directly harm or indirectly harm others.  There is by far more collateral damage to “honest” men who have to endure rejection after rejection (and it is apparently “all their fault”) at the hands of POF princesses than any player creates.

If you want a good example of “mean spirited”, have a look at the majority of responses from women on Frost’s thread.  Compare how players act to people who attempt to find and exploit personal weaknesses in someone with an opposing view. Yes, “mean spirited”.  Every audience member can easily see this.

The Wrong Stuff

juliajayne1 Wrote:

They blame everyone but themselves.

Seriously?

One is conveniently forgetting the apparent parallel experiences of many men.  These individuals all mention that they have far more success in real life than on POF, and it is “their fault”?  Being ignorant of how being on the Internet can and does inflate the perception of a woman’s self-worth doesn’t make it disappear.

It is like any prejudice.  Every one who maintains a bias likes to think that it is the “fault” of those they irrationally don’t like.  They cannot explain why (because it is irrational), and, will be quick to anger if clarification is sought (because they actually know it is their own invention).  Have a look at the thread.  Who exhibits this kind of behaviour?  Who are willing to explain their position and offer valid foundation?  We will let each person assign “blame”.

The haughty attitude of POF Princesses is of their own accord.  No one makes them that way but themselves.

Regardless of this onus, addressing this self-importance is the pragmatic approach.  That’s taking responsibility for what one is actually responsible for (yet critics love to wrongly accuse men who apply “game” as “blaming everyone but themselves”).

So… Wrong again.

Appetite for Instruction

juliajayne1 Wrote:

It’s not a recipe for happiness. Life is a good teacher, though. I’m sure most of them will eventually grow up and find someone who will love them. If not, they only have themselves to blame for not investing in their own attractiveness, physically, spiritually and mentally. It takes work! Their mere existence is not enough to make women want to have anything to do with them. ;-0) They seem kind of surprised by this simple fact!

Questioning whether men invest in their own attractiveness is merely deflecting from the real issue being how POF Princesses inflate their own worth.  Again, most of the men (well, really ALL of them) clearly state that they approach the same level of woman online as they do in real life.  While they have success in the streets, bars, clubs, etc. of the world, they have far less success online.  You are merely attempting to blame the men for just not being “hot” enough (as if they all suddenly became “not hot enough” by going online).  It’s no different than surreptitiously blaming an instrument manufacturer for building an un-playable piano when the tune you play doesn’t sound great… while ignoring one’s delusion of being a world-class musician when you are just a beginner.

This “mere existence” quip?  That is projection if there ever was projection.  The mirage of inflated self-worth is the behaviour of POF princesses.  They literally sit back on it and sift through messages looking for 10’s while depending on the “mere existence” of their sufficiently euphemistic profile to attract the messages.

Princesses and their defenders feign surprise that people are aware of this behaviour.

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